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Re: Lena vom Slaney-Vale

Postby AverageGuy » Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:51 am

Harvey, 9 shot TSS 18g retains twice the energy as Lead 5s at 60 yards.

It is so dense and heavy it is a complete game changer and allows the use of such a small shot size that it produces dense effective patterns using shot sizes we would never dream of using otherwise. A growing Legion of folks are now using .410s for Spring Gobblers ... I started using Tungsten back when Remington first loaded it for what would eventually become Hevi-Shot. I used 6s in a 23/4 inch 12 gauge and quickly learned how amazingly effective it was on late season public lands roosters sneaking out low, going straight away. It is very expensive but given a 3 bird limit a guy does not shoot that many shells in a day and the cost of ammo is minuscule in the overall spending of a traveling bird hunter.

I will add it is dangerous and flyer pellets happen. I pray people keep that in mind relative to dogs chasing flying birds, hunting partners screened by brush in quail country, blockers at the end of the field, other hidden hunters working the same public land gobbler you are ...
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Re: Lena vom Slaney-Vale

Postby orhunter » Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:42 am

Kent: I like my lead 5’s. But..... I’m not married to them. I actually would rather shoot 4’s because the patterns are less dense and I don’t like ruining meat on closer shots. This is in 12 ga. loads. Other guys I know with 28’s use lead 5’s and really like them. I have some but have yet to give ‘em a try. Next year.

My 28 is a fixed modified choke and from what I’ve read, it is the correct choke for the 28. But not all chokes are equal no matter the constriction they’re stamped with. I should send the barrel off to Briley and get an assortment fitted..... or am I good to go? You guys know more than me.

I agree, cost of ammo is irrelevant. Same as buying a dog. Does the TSS come in a factory load? I paid $190 for a case of Hevi-Shot and didn’t flinch..... much. I grew up poor so spending money has never been my strong suit but I’m trying to overcome that.

If I shot the 28 more I’d probably get back into handloading shotgun ammo. I sold my 12 ga. Grabber a while back. Would need to start from scratch.

When I look in the book, all 28 loads are very low pressure and I’ve found this very undesirable. When barrel diameter shrinks, barrel strength goes up along with pressure tolerance. I’d think (based on logic) a 28 could handle 13/14,000 psi no problem at all. I loaded my 12 ammo to over 11,000 psi. 12 ga. barrels are proofed at 18,000 psi.
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Re: Lena vom Slaney-Vale

Postby AverageGuy » Fri Oct 25, 2019 10:01 am

Yes, Federal loads the TSS shot in Factory loads. I have a case of 3 inch 12 gauge duplex loads which contains TSS 7 shot which I use for geese (and ducks on the combo hunts). It is amazing stuff when placed on target.

My plan is to get into reloading the 9 shot TSS, as jlw034 and Willie T are doing, to get the cost down. A patterning board is always the best path to determining optimal chokes for a specific gun and load which is expensive with TSS but for the best. Tungsten likes less vs more choke is my general experience but I have shot a factory Mod choke in my Beretta and Benelli 12 gauge autos using Tungsten 6s for late season pheasants and it has performed well.

I shoot factory IC or a Briley Light Mod in my Benelli Legacy 28 auto and factory IC/Mod in my Franchi Veloce 28. In my A5 I use a Patternmaster Mid-Range choke and it is highly effective with good loads out to 50 yards. I also use a Patternmaster Long Range choke for late season giant Honkers on the River. Can't say enough good about Patternmaster chokes is my experience using them for waterfowl loads in a 12 gauge.
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Re: Lena vom Slaney-Vale

Postby jlw034 » Fri Oct 25, 2019 10:13 am

Cost of this load is $1.25 per shell. Not terrible but not cheap. Like AG said, if I go through a few boxes a season, it's been a good season.

This load patterns tight. I run cylinder then imp cylinder, and have good pattern to at least 40 yards. With the duplex, the TSS is on bottom and theoretically pushes out the steel first which fills the close shot patterns. As distance increases, the TSS fills the pattern.

Here's a couple pattern boards. Didn't have cylinder Choke yet, these patterns told me to go buy one. There's an average of 180 pellets per shell.

One thing that really impressed me was when I was cleaning birds I found the steel shot andl inch or so in the bird. But as I pulled the feathers and skin off the bird I noticed that the tungsten would go in one side and out the other. A small hole with a complete pass through. I should have taken a picture of it because there was a heart that had a single tiny hole straight through it.

I buy my TSS from a guy named Hawglips. He's active on other forums. Would rather give money to a small operation guy then some bigger business. He also gives out his tested loads for free when you buy his TSS.

My load is from hawglips. Should be around 12000 psi and 1250 fps.
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Re: Lena vom Slaney-Vale

Postby orhunter » Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:00 pm

Yea, very tight. Be great of the pattern could fill the circle evenly. The IC choke may accomplish that.

Thanks for the shot source info. I'll look into the factory Federal as well.

I gotta pattern the Hevi-Shot. I honestly don't think it does very well in size 6 which is what I have.

I don't like doing a lot of ammo switching if there a big difference in velocity between them.

Here's a tip for everyone who reloads for shotguns. Make sure your shot charge is the correct weight. Loaders go by volume not weight so you may need to adjust your shot bushings to get the loads right. This includes lead shot. High Antimony shot will weigh less than pure lead and you'll need to ream out your shot bushing to get the correct weight with the good hard shot. I had to take out around .020 to get a 1 1/8 oz. load to actually weigh 1 1/8 oz.
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Re: Lena vom Slaney-Vale

Postby stubblejumper » Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:19 am

orhunter wrote:Great stuff.... On thing I like about Lena, she looks like a Griff. Ha ha, had to throw that out there.

Talk about your 28 load.


The odd thing is, if you look at the entire litter, some dogs, including mine, have the long beards and eyebrows like Lena, yet a few could pass for GSPs, they have so little furnishings. This is also true for other litters from the same female.
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End of the chapter

Postby jlw034 » Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:38 pm

Like any great story, chapters end and new ones begin. I think it's time for this chapter to close. I'm now realizing that I didn't keep the journal going as I should have this season. I blame a weird year. Early snow, bad ice, weird weather, too much sitting for deer.

We are adding a new pup in a few weeks. Wirehairs might still call me back, but for now I'm switching to a pudelpointer. The breeding should be dynamite. The training will be a blast. The hunting will be memorable.

Thanks to all who shared this story with me. I've reread it many times, and the comments always make me smile. What started as a dumb owner and a dumb pup, turned into a dumb owner and a very fine dog.

Time to reflect on where the time went, and retrain my puppy brain.
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Re: Lena vom Slaney-Vale

Postby jlw034 » Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:41 pm

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Re: Lena vom Slaney-Vale

Postby AverageGuy » Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:45 pm

My Gosh, seeing what you did with your first Vdog, no telling what you will accomplish with your second one. Lena set a high bar.

My recent experience is;

Man do I appreciate my calm well trained talented adult dog as I work through the shaping of a wild child bold puppy! Especially when she barks at me non-stop while I am shooting my bow in front of the kennel. (Got that stopped PTL!) Spud just lays there sleeping through it (he is a wonderful dog).

I look forward to following along with your next one. PS Love that aerial leap water entry photo.
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Re: Lena vom Slaney-Vale

Postby orhunter » Tue Jun 16, 2020 5:32 pm

Through you, Lena always seemed like a part of me with all you've shared. I get attached to other people's dogs like they're my own. Yes, I did miss your posts lately. Good luck with the new kid.
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Re: Lena vom Slaney-Vale

Postby jlw034 » Tue Jun 16, 2020 6:24 pm

AverageGuy wrote:My Gosh, seeing what you did with your first Vdog, no telling what you will accomplish with your second one. Lena set a high bar.

My recent experience is;

Man do I appreciate my calm well trained talented adult dog as I work through the shaping of a wild child bold puppy! Especially when she barks at me non-stop while I am shooting my bow in front of the kennel. (Got that stopped PTL!) Spud just lays there sleeping through it (he is a wonderful dog).

I look forward to following along with your next one. PS Love that aerial leap water entry photo.


Thanks AG. Maybe someday we'll meet up on the prairie and watch our old vets and new numbskulls pound some dirt. You're right, having a mellow seasoned dog is something special...I think I've blanked out the two years it took Lena to finally settle down.

The aerial shot is from the Invy...nice to have professional photographers around.
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Re: Lena vom Slaney-Vale

Postby jlw034 » Tue Jun 16, 2020 6:25 pm

orhunter wrote:Through you, Lena always seemed like a part of me with all you've shared. I get attached to other people's dogs like they're my own. Yes, I did miss your posts lately. Good luck with the new kid.


Thanks OR. I'll start a new thread when the puppy comes. Like you, I live vicariously through others dogs.
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Re: Lena vom Slaney-Vale

Postby Drahthaar1108 » Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:53 pm

Thanks for taking us along with Lena , awesome dog, have fun with the new pup. Forrest
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Re: Lena vom Slaney-Vale

Postby booger » Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:26 pm

Very interested to see how training the 2 compares. I've been under the impression from Tim's dogs that they're very easy to train, but Tim's retired and spends a lot of time with them. I'm considering a PP for my next dog also.

Haven't done any real training this year and it's been nice. Getting lots done around the house and have been much less frustrated.
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Re: Lena vom Slaney-Vale

Postby jlw034 » Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:56 pm

booger wrote:Very interested to see how training the 2 compares. I've been under the impression from Tim's dogs that they're very easy to train, but Tim's retired and spends a lot of time with them. I'm considering a PP for my next dog also.

Haven't done any real training this year and it's been nice. Getting lots done around the house and have been much less frustrated.


Yeah, it will be a change I think. I'm guessing this one will be a softer dog. Should have the time to put in though.
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