Training someone else's dog

[Densa44]

This is something that I said I'd never do. I guess mother was right, "never is a long time". I have my son's PP and seeing if I can get her ready for her UT test at the end of August. This will probably be the last dog I train, I'm 75 years old but you never know. I can hear the pros chuckling already!

I'll start with what I was told and what I found;

Nearly finished FF; dog won't pick up dummy on ground
Almost steady; points well but breaks on flush
Retrieves birds; brings birds back to 10 feet from me, drops them and won't pick them up.
Good in the water; dog is fantastic, will swim a 300 yard channel with no shore running
Has been collar conditioned; when the collar is on I get instant recall to a "buzz"

We have the FF just about finished, she picks up the dummy off of the table and we are moving to dead birds to-day. Stay tuned.

So far the worst parts have been the phone calls telling me what I'm doing wrong.

[booger]

Nearly finished FF; dog won't pick up dummy on ground

Got a smile out of me on that one.

[AverageGuy]

Sounds like a great project.

[Willie T]

Sounds to me like you have some work to do. It also sounds like you have a lot to work with. If I were a betting man, I would bet "you are enjoying working with that dog".
Willie

[Densa44]

Yes I'm enjoying it a lot, so is she, her tail wags when she brings back the dummy.

What I learned and the pros already know; what she will do for her owner she won't necessarily do for me and vice versa. I think this may be the most important lesson. If you send your dog to a pro, you should spend time with the pro too to learn how to get the most out of your dog.

An example; I "fumble" the dummy when she brings it to me, she grabs it off the ground and hands it to me a second time. The dog thinks that this is great fun, I think it makes it less likely that I'll have a heart attack if I drop the duck at the test and she won't pick it up!

Doing thrown marks on the ground, she is breaking, once we get that fixed I'll move to sight blinds.

[Meridiandave]

A dog is not properly FF for the UT test until it can force to pile across water. As a note during the FF process dogs kick back at pretty predictable times. They are: 1) picking bumper off the ground; 2) transition to birds at distance; 3) Force to pile; 4) force to pile across water.

Keep working and good luck.

[Densa44]

I've never "forced to pile" I took a course opn it from a good trainer but it wasn't solving a problem that I had. Nothing wrong with the advice, I've just never done it.

Hand thrown dummies! I know why we do it but it causes nothing but trouble for a UT dog. I sat her down beside me and by the time I had wound up she was in front of me and broke when I threw it! Not good at all. With hand thrown, you teach; hunting short, breaking (self release) and not marking the fall, I shouldn't be doing it.

I got out my home made dummy launcher that started life as a ".303 enfield that shot .22 lr. it now launches dummies when loaded with a ramset.

Dog sitting beside me, gun in lt. hand, buzzer in rt. hand, fire the shot, never taking eyes off of the dog, she stands but stays put, send dog, she doesn't mark it all that well but brings it back to hand, I fumble dummy, she picks it up and gives it to me. O.K. we'll do more marks today so that she gets better at it.

Next is sight blinds, as close as I come to forcing to pile. Oh I have one problem with the pile, I don't like a dog to switch and I've had that problem when I try a pile, sometimes (often) I get 2 dummies brought back.

[flitecontrol]

Hand thrown dummies! I know why we do it but it causes nothing but trouble for a UT dog. I sat her down beside me and by the time I had wound up she was in front of me and broke when I threw it! Not good at all. With hand thrown, you teach; hunting short, breaking (self release) and not marking the fall, I shouldn't be doing it.

If she has been trained to "sit", she shouldn't be doing that. Put a short lead on her and while holding the lead (or her collar), toss a dummy right in front of her. If she get's excited and tries to break, calm her down and make sure she is steady before releasing her. Of course, praise her to high heaven when she gets it right. Gradually increase both length of the throw and how long she has to sit before being released.

[Densa44]

Breaking on a mark; I hate that, my old retriever days before electricity! Boy could I tell some stories of methods that the boys tried.

I got my hand cannon, she was wearing her pink e-collar, I held the gun in lt. hand, rt hand on the buzzer, and looked her right in the eye while giving her a strong "sit" gun goes bang, dummy takes off and she creeps a bit, I re-heel but no spark. Repeat, no creep this time. Moved to a different location and did it again, success, she didn't move until I kicked her off.

I hope for better tomorrow.

[Densa44]

The pros were right! I had to go back to FF and we had a couple of tough days, I'm now agreed that if you don't know the dog, they need a complete course of FF before anything else or you are wasting your time.

Things are going well now and we are now retrieving dead birds in the water and the dog looks good. Her duck searches are very good.

Still need to teach the drag.